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A Truce in the Mommy Wars–Patricia Mann Interview, Part 2

by Laura on July 8th, 2013

In pondering the potential pitfalls in the pursuit of happiness apparently alliteration makes me happy, it’s important to recognize when enough is in fact enough … lest we fall prey to never being satisfied.

Many of the comments from my interview with Is This All There Is? author Patricia Mann* echoed these sentiments. In Happiness or Contentment?, we discussed whether settling for contentment is in fact “settling” at all.

Today Patricia and I are talking again, about family and career choices, wondering: Can we really “have it all”?

Of course it’s possible to have it all … with a little help from crack, I don’t even need to sleep!

 

When stressful mommy life leads to self-destructive behaviors

Laura – How have readers responded to your main character, Beth? What are your thoughts on the pressures that society puts on women?

Patricia – As far as how readers have responded, I have been blown away by the messages I’ve gotten from readers.

The general response of complete understanding of why my main character, Beth, felt disappointed, lonely, and disillusioned with her life was incredibly affirming. I was so happy to hear that women felt less alone after reading the book and opened up more to friends because they realized maybe others shared their feelings. But the main point of the book is that when women reach this stage of depletion and disconnection from life and people, there’s a significant risk of self-destructive behavior. It could be drugs, alcohol, binge eating, and many other forms of escape. In Beth’s case, it was an extramarital affair, which is not only self-destructive, but also devastating for the entire family.

The response to this aspect of the book literally stunned me.

I braced myself for the judgment that I assumed would be coming my way, but it never did. It seems I was somewhat successful in creating a sympathetic character, who is relatively likable and relatable and yes, also gets sucked into doing something quite unethical. Many, many women have confessed to me that they have been unfaithful to their husbands. Others have admitted that they’ve wanted to. Still others have shared that though they were opposed to my main character Beth’s choices, they could still understand them and they empathized with her.

Motherhood = all walks by the beach, timed perfectly for a beautiful sunset. Truly.

How can we move forward after “The Mommy Wars”?

Laura — I’m so gratified to hear people sympathetic to Beth. But sometimes it feels like many women do tend to judge others, openly or not. What in your opinion does society, or government, need to do to help women find ways to “have it all?” Is this even possible, or a myth? Do we have to settle for having everything, but not all at once?

Patricia — I’m a bit fearful of sharing my opinions on this because I usually veer away from politics, given my obsessive need to get along with everyone and avoid all conflict. :)

But here’s the truth and I hope even if people disagree, we can respect one another: I am disturbed by how many women are forced to work long hours for little pay and are barely making it. I am so saddened by situations where women are unable to spend much time with their kids because they have to focus on putting food (often unhealthy food, which is all a tight budget can manage) on the table. I don’t need anything more from my government, because I was blessed to have the means to get an education, meet and marry an educated partner, and work part-time if I chose to when my kids were young. But for the women who are not so lucky and are scraping by through no fault of their own, I am angered, because there are far too many, and there is far too little help. I think we’re all responsible for making sure women and children, and men for that matter, have what they need.

But for those of us who are able to meet our basic needs, those who have tough choices like whether to work full-time at that career we went to college forever for while someone else cares for our children the majority of their waking hours or whether to give it all up because there are no part-time opportunities, these are real and heartbreaking dilemmas.

I think one important step is to figure out what you really want in life.

I know women who were more than happy to give up their careers to raise their children, if it was financially feasible. I know other women who could have quit, but derive so much fulfillment from their work that they made peace with loving others being their kids’ primary caregivers. But I also know women who want both, who would like to be with their kids, but need something else in their life and can’t find a way to make that work. I was lucky to be able to work part-time, doing work I enjoyed, as my kids were growing up. I wish there were more opportunities for more women to do that.

One thing I think often gets left in the dust is the relationship between parents. That’s also one of the main themes in my book. Once a couple has or adopts kids, it’s incredibly difficult to stay connected, to find that crucial romantic time alone, and to meet each other’s physical and emotional needs while also meeting those of the children. So when I see people who have five or six kids, it really makes me wonder how they do it because my husband and I have had the hardest time staying connected as our lives revolve completely around our two kids.  I guess we’re all different.

So if “having it all” means marriage, kids, and a full time career, (not to mention strong family relationships, friendships, exercise, volunteer work, and all the other things we want to do and be in life) I would say no, in my experience, no, it’s not possible to have it all at once. Rather, you can have it all at once, but something will give eventually. Something or someone will get short-changed and it will cause serious problems at some point. I think the answer is to prioritize and to practice self-care regularly. And to always remember that relationships are more important than things or achievements. One of my favorite quotes is that no one ever read a resume at a funeral.

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* Patricia Mann is a pen name, but she’s a real woman nonetheless.

About the author – With two decades of success as a communication professor and organizational consultant under her belt, Patricia Mann decided to pursue her lifelong dream of becoming a novelist. Is This All There Is?  is Patricia’s debut women’s fiction novel, and she’s currently hard at work on her second book. The positive reception Patricia has received from readers is something she’s extremely grateful for. When she’s not teaching, consulting, or writing, you’ll find Patricia enjoying family time at her home in California. She and her husband have been happily married for almost 20 years and have two wonderful and active sons who they couldn’t be more proud of.

“Business Lady Posing With An Open Palm” by stockimages and “Mom And Daughter At Sunset” by pat138241, from freedigitalphotos.net.

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  1. Patricia is very wise and it is true what she says about women's choices today. As we say in adoption, it is really a choice when you feel forced to work and leave your kids all day? Is it really a choice to use all your energy at work and there is nothing left for your family? Women everywhere need more support in general. I don't have any answers but this blog has really shown what it means for many to be in a catch 22. I see my single-parent friends struggling but also my married mother friends. Thanks for this post!

  2. Laura, thanks so much engaging me in this important discussion. Ironically, I missed this post at first since I've been offline and trying to enjoy more family time! Sorry about that. Thankfully, I found it, even if a few days late. :-)

    Lynn, I'm so glad you could relate to what I had to say on this subject. I don't like to be negative, but I think we need to be realistic about how much we can manage, especially when raising children. I agree that we all need support, wherever we can get it. Thanks so much for your wonderful comment.

  3. I want to add that men struggle with many of the same issues I mentioned in this post. I just received a private message from a male friend who is also an author, which I really appreciated because it reminded me that it's not just women trying to have it all and find balance. Many men, including my husband, take on a huge share of the child-rearing responsibilities, more than the mom in a lot of cases. I wanted to share what my friend wrote so that we include both genders in this important discussion:

    "This may shock you, but your link "A Truce in the Mommy Wars" hit me. It's not just women who feel these things happening. I control those feelings fairly well but I feel at a loss for how to deal without imploding. I'm normally the one at home, by the way, like now."

  4. I have to work. Im not scraping by, but I do have to work. Being a middle class mommy is pretty hard. I just came to work after dropping my son off, while he was crying. And let me tell you something, it's not easy. And if i could quit my job to be his full-time mommy, i wouldn't even think twice or miss my "career."

    It's really hard to read these posts about the mommy wars and hearing everyone with their opinions on does this hurt children, marriages, self worth.

    No one likes to read that someone else is the primary caretaker for their child, especially when just because you are working doesn't mean that your heart isn't with your child. you are always the primary caretaker, because as a parent you never turn off the worry, the love or the care. I'm a full time parent, event when I'm at work full time.

    So yes, does someone have to watch him so i can pay for bills and keep him happy — you bet. But I am his mom, 100 percent of the time.

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